Copyright © 2019-20 Mediarology, Inc. All rights reserved. When you see a planet in detriment or fall, the most important thing to remember is that they can still function, albeit a little differently than normal. A planet in fall is said to be not respected, not heard or listened to, accorded little honor – I call it the Rodney Dangerfield of debility. Doomed I tell you! One astrologer dwelt on how I often used humor to communicate my ideas, and that is true. I must admit it drives me crazy. I had to figure out all those things on my own, the long, slow and hard way. Prior to completing that section of the book Now, let’s take this and put it in the context of my visiting an astrologer for a reading. But because you have this boundless wellspring flowing, you may not realize your own power in some instances. The exaltation is a place of awareness, whereas the fall is a position of weakness concerning the function of the planet. I think differently and sometimes I can’t say how I think because it goes counter to mainstream astrology. >> probably very good for a storyteller, specifically TALL TALES!!! Saturn, my Ascendant ruler, is strong in my chart, so in my case things get better as I get older, and Saturn sorts of qualities work to my advantage. How this exaltation helps or hinders the Moon is something I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE ANALYZED SOMEDAY. I think you’ll find the material in my Dignities book will give you some food for thought on that. I’m also, like you, of high intelligence, but feel as tho I have a hard time being heard and often feel misunderstood or no matter how hard I try to explain others just can’t or don’t understand what I’m trying to put out there. Mond in Skorpion oder Jupiter in Steinbock. The book “Hellenistic Astrology” by Chris Brennan represents a contrast, at least in respect to clarity and transparency. Very conflicting stuff happening. To Modern astrologers wouldn’t my difficult Mercury to Neptune configuration be more apparent than yours?You could have great mind-related Neptunian perceptive gifts. 21: 1,300: Traditional Astrology : All planets in domicile, exaltation, fall or detriment? Mercury in Pisces is in both detriment and fall, so it is doubly debilitated. Planets in fall and detriment are considered to be malefic as planets can not express their energy to the fullest, but we can use them for our benefit. We’ve done a lot of deep transformational work around our emotions (per our moon mandate), which has allowed us to help others do the same. As in taking the Fortitudes of the Planets, great care ought to be had, so their Debilities must be observed with no less care and prudence; wherein I advise you to beware of the Effects or Influence of a Planet when he is in Detriment; rather than when he is in Fall. I’m in my early 50s, and it’s only been the last year or so that I suddenly feel out-of-place. I have Moon at 8 degrees Capricorn, H8, intercept. Discussion/Debate . Brand Partnerships So why do we deal with and relate to the same life challenging things? These describe the states of a planet in a chart. I’m relying heavily on my Virgo Saturn to help out. They can provide useful information on how to deal with the planet’s expression. Very relatable & informative article. Traditional astrology organized these combinations into five categories: rulership, exaltation, detriment, fall and peregrine. Do I need to speak louder? I know I couldn’t survive and stay sane without my journal and other writing. For instance I was born March 7 but I do not take that to mean that “I am a Pisces”. 3. The real meaning of Mars in so-called detriment is that it’s not actually a thing. ‘If you have planets in fall or detriment, you are doomed. The Following User Says Thank You to Moog For This Useful Post: meg96 (01-27-2013) #3 01-27-2013, 06:33 PM JUPITERASC. So, that completely discredits the notion that a planet in detriment and fall cannot express positively. But won't the sign be restricted too? I now view my detriments and falls as places of strength, and they are why I’m still here. When you see a planet in detriment or fall, the most important thing to remember is that they can still function, albeit a little differently than normal. If you were born with a planet in fall or detriment in your birth chart, it may be an area you have to work a little harder at, or a place in your life where you have to overcome struggles. This should not be a real surprise as signs opposite each other on the zodiac wheel tend to have opposing qualities. There is much criticism of the negative connotations of these terms, and much insistence that a planet in a debilitated state can be a strong asset in a chart. I have Mercury RETROGRADE in Pisces combust Sun in the 9th house (My Sun is in Pisces). Thanks for sharing your insights. One other thing – I find that, to learn things, I need to go over them multiple times – it often takes multiple passes to get things to stick. This is the strongest of the five essential dignities of a planet. I wrote a children’s poetry faerie tale book in 1993, finally published it, and get good feedback. Posted by 3 hours ago. All content on this site is ©2020 Charles Obert. It's all about how you use it. A planet in detriment or fall is in a precarious condition, more so if it is peregrine or otherwise afflicted. I have to repeat myself a lot because I’m not heard the first time. save. My mother called me “scatterbrain” as a child, probably because of my facility in shifting attention to different things, and wanted me to follow a routine more. If not, do we then just look at the aspects and placements in the natal chart? Don't take stock in fatalistic astrology. Well, at least I know why. Sun in Detriment or Fall People: Have you noticed a difference in how your ego or sense of self develops? Thank you for sharing this , Your email address will not be published. I’m bookmarking and will be reading more. The sun says to express ourselves, and their expression of relationships IS their individual expression. I can tell you that, in my case, it took a lot of deliberate work studying communication and language, to get to a point I could use the Mercury to advantage. I will work you through how to use them as a " remedy" in our lives. Doomed with the doomiest of doomy dooms’…is what some people mistakenly assume astrologers mean when they talk about planets lacking essential dignity. Of course this can work for good or ill, in both cases. Go beyond Sun signs to learn more the planets in your chart, the 12 houses and much more. Venus is in exaltation in Pisces, in fall in Virgo, and in detriment in Scorpio and Aries. When I was younger you could describe me as an oblivious liar – I thought of myself as basically truthful but didn’t mind stretching things a bit – or a lot – to make myself look good. Another thing I noticed about this Mercury in Pisces is the tendency to get bored of things mid-way and not finish it – especially my writing. I make quick, quirky connections that most people don’t understand, and flip from being obsessively into something, a book e.g., but suddenly switch to another book or activity. August 2020 Horoscope: A Calm Between Storms? Aries (♈︎) / ˈ ɛər iː z / (Latin for "ram") is the first astrological sign in the zodiac, spanning the first 30 degrees of celestial longitude (0°≤ λ <30°), and originates from the constellation of the same name.Under the tropical zodiac, the Sun transits this sign from approximately March 20 to April 21 each year. He noted the peculiar absence of “detriment” in early Hellenistic astrology in his book. A planet in the sign opposite the sign of its exaltation is said to be in fall. Every energy can be constructively or destructively channeled. NEW MOON IN SCORPIO – NOVEMBER 15, 2020 A new moon is always about a new beginning. Omg reading this was like reading something I wrote myself!! A planet is considered to be in domal dignity when it is positioned in the sign it rules. Has any Astrologer ever told me anything pertinent about this really unfortunate position of the Moon? As a new student of astrology, I have been worried about my 3rd house with Mercury in Pisces. Have you ever had the experience in a meeting of making a suggestion and having it blown off, then having someone else make exactly the same suggestion a little later and have it be welcomed? 9 years ago. Sun in Detriment or Fall People: Have you noticed a difference in how your ego or sense of self develops? Thank you. He goes on to remark that the lived body is a unique position from which to launch new possibilities for the illness experience: the body falls sick, we are left not simply with a broken machine, but with a world transformed; a disease undermines our sense of self autonomy, our relations with others, our habitual experience of space and time. Wow. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. In episode 264 of the podcast Chris Brennan and Benjamin Dykes discuss the origins of the concept of detriment in ancient Hellenistic and Medieval astrology. However I do know of people who have used their ultra-mutability and interests to their benefit – journalism, writing, etc.For others life would have to be very long to pull their interests together in a cohesive, useful way. When a planet is in none of the enumerated four states, it is in a peregrine state, or it is a peregrine planet. In astrology, exaltation is one of the five essential dignities of a planet. I could walk out of a reading like that feeling vaguely puffed up at how very spiritual and evolved I was. When a planet is in the sign that is opposite to its own domicile, it is said to be in its detriment. That’s my Mercury using humor I guess. Detriment (astrology) Jump to: navigation, search This article needs additional citations for verification. For example, in my chart, the 7th house is kept in detriment by Moon. I frequently give a friend of mine advice (based on the little astrology I know) and then later she’ll tell me about something wonderful that her neighbor told her which is the same exact thing I told her the week before. Exaltation, detriment, and fall are underutilized concepts in modern astrology, perhaps in part because even the ancients did not leave us a lot of clear explanation on the matter. I can completely relate. 02-06-2020 11:35 PM by JUPITERASC. Anyway, thanks for sharing! Mars’s detriment in Libra and Taurus reflects again this crucial difference between the feminine and the masculine in astrology. I have Mars in Capricorn at 27 degrees Capricorn, H9. Get support and training, strengthen the muscle (think of it as cosmic physical therapy) and you may achieve hard-won mastery over time. I’m curious how to handle that type of thing. All rights reserved. What I maintain here is that the concepts of debility, detriment, and fall can give useful information as to how a planet will play out in a person’s life. Jupiter has rulership in Sagittarius and Pisces, exaltation in Cancer, detriment in Gemini and Virgo, fall in Capricorn. And with lucky Jupiter in hardscrabble Capricorn, we’ve definitely had to put in long hours at our laptops to build our brand and business. The same goes for Mars in ‘fall.’ How many of you have, as avid potential astro-fiends or seekers of self-mastery, felt dejected upon finding out your Mars was apparently defective? The concept comes from an ancient system known as planetary exaltation. Each of your house has a planet which holds that area of life back! Detriment The term detriment is used in astrology to refer to the sign of the zodiac that is opposite to a planet's domicile. As the exaltation is a place of awareness for the planet, the fall is a position of weakness concerning the function of the planet, including everything else the planet represents. Detriment – I can’t count the number of book projects I have started writing and not finished. Time Stamps below to each placement. Any more tips for the retrograde aspect of me? Würde und Detriment : Ein Planet wird gestärkt oder würdiger, wenn sie innerhalb der Zeichen fälltdass es Regeln. Great helpful and distilled article! I too have Mercury in Pisces and often is not respected and heard in terms of communication. Statistical observations and practical experiences show that even when a planet is in detriment or in fall, most often, it can play out positively, provided it is well-aspected. These references leave no doubt that the concept of detriment originated in the earlier Hellenistic astrological tradition, going back to at least the 1st and 2nd centuries CE. I am grateful though, for the good wishes and the sales I do get. You are “at home” in whatever area of life that planet rules. Exaltation is the sign where a planet is supposedly at its best, and detriment is … Dignities, Exaltations, Falls & Detriments Today we are looking at the planets in our natal charts and examining how these planets may be considered to be in a “good” sign placement or in a sign that may be more challenging for the planet to express its energies. Brief Background of the Dignities of Planets. The real meaning of Mars in so-called detriment is that it’s not actually a thing. Exalted. When the sun is so close it’s supposed to combust planets within 10 degrees and make mercury less affective but communication has always been so important to me and I tend to do well with it. What about detriment sun? Take into account that traditional astrology does NOT identify the person with their Sun sign. In Cancer, Mars learns to be soft, while in Capricorn, the Moon becomes hard while Saturn in Leo must bring lead to gold, while Jupiter is humbled in Virgo. I’ve been through that a lot – and, btw, I understand that is a common experience of women in the business world in a meeting made up mostly of men. Your insight is fantastic! Maybe I’ll be able to do it myself after I get better at this stuff. I’ve said it time and time again when people realize I have a Mercury in Pisces, they will often put emphasis on the fall and detriment position rather then extract the positive aspects of this natal placement. Therefore, contrarily to the exaltation, the planet loses its strength and influence. Astrologie wird im Allgemeinen als angesehene Pseudowissenschaft. Ähnlich wie bei der Erhöhung sind die Dinge hier etwas übertrieben; sie scheinen schlechter als sie in Wirklichkeit sind. Dignity and Detriment, Exaltation and Fall. A planetary ruler is given to each sign, over which the planet is said to have a more powerful influence when positioned therein. Much of Astrology is trying to make sense of individual parts and put them into an organic whole. Close. ... Astrology is the study of the correlation between celestial movements and earthly events, and r/astrology is a community for sharing news and information about astrological topics. The Essential Dignities of Planets: Exalted, Detriment, Domicile and Fall. Some combine more easily than others. Close. I’m Capricorn rising and I expect everyone to listen as well as I do. Ironically astrologers insist that it’s wonderful from just being in my 10th, though my life & career have not supported this, but they often are jealous nonetheless – double-jeopardy! Excellent article. I’ll be sure to make sure I read them all the way through!! That is quite normal. It can be a daunting task but I was BORN to be a teacher, so let’s go. Detriment The term detriment is used in astrology to refer to the sign of the zodiac that is opposite to a planet's domicile. Planets in fall and detriment are considered to be malefic as planets can not express their energy to the fullest, but we can use them for our benefit. Can I see evidence of these problems with detriment and fall? I too am conscious of struggling with the same as if Mercury was in it’s Pisces position of Detriment and Fall frustrations and unreliability problems with Mercury in Capricorn square to Neptune conjunct my Libra Ascendant as well. 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