To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. #2, concentrate on the wheels (as others mention), as that’s likely to be the most noticeable improvement. Full Forum Listing. Increasing the weight of the bicycle by 5 pounds from the UCI standard added a mere five seconds to the rider's 19:21 climb, indicating that the main factor for speed lies with the rider, wind resistance and the contact patch. Other bike is a Trek 2002 tandem also Campy 10 sp. Independent testing over recent years has shown the aerodynamics of a wheel to be of equal, and sometimes greater importance when riding on the road. It results in a ride pattern consisting of acceleration intervals interleaved with 0-watt coasting. However, at 210 lbs, will buying a bike that is 16 lbs be noticeably faster than a 20 lb bike. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. Rider weight is far more important in the bigger picture because riders far outweigh their bikes. A good example is handlebars and stems. I’ve long been aware of the relative unimportance of bike weight (lose 10% off the bike, and bike + rider is only ~1% lighter) but it’s nice to see the numbers for climbing. I’d give you that a few pounds either way don’t make too much of a difference, but an 8 pound difference is immense (and worth EVERY penny). For cycling enthusiasts, this could be a crucial difference that makes or breaks a race. Aluminun climbing wheels 1260g. Wheels need to be accelerated on a regular basis, and lighter wheels accelerate more easily. Lucky for me weight has always been easy to lose. Momentum. For a first road bike, focus on the bike fit first. This is why really good climbers are generally skinnier or smaller than average riders. Lighter weight often coincides with reduced durability. XC riders are racers so they have the need for speed. But a 190lb rider and 16lb bike is 11.875.. so, not sure if that is useful in that direction. And this is with the assumption that the $200 more for the disk is getting something in components that is worth more than the cheaper bike. Why not have the lightest bike without spending a ton of money. On the contrary, I am also a total penny-saver! Replacing these can save you a pound. Thoughts? (Not getting much lighter though, but at least I’m getting stronger.) Total investment: under $5k. I also have a We Are One carbon wheelset (29×30mm with 2.5F, 2.4R tires). Seeing where professional cyclists fall in at given heights gives some concrete data of what to expect your body to look like and how you can perform at a given weight. Everyone wants to get the most amount of power from their E-Bike battery, and one of the largest factors that affects battery power is weight. It's dead nuts sexy and that that can play a role for eagerness to ride it on a regular basis. The best aluminium road bikes; Aero vs. weight for climbing. So I put a set of Mavic Cosmics with Yksion 25c tubeless mount. Really good article on weight. This could be seen as the "tyranny of the bike equation." A comparable setup from a bike shop would have cost 8-10k. Recently I bought a wheelset direct from china that weighed 1288g. As a heavy rider with a heavy bike I have prioritised the body element of the equation. Once you get the hang of it, it's simple. Do you ever notice if you’re riding with a full versus an empty bottle? Ariel Rider D-Class e-bike specs. If you are a light rider then a lighter bike is good. Rocket scientists are perhaps the world’s ultimate weight weenies. Upgrading to a wheelset that is both lighter and more aerodynamic is the ultimate win-win. Here’s where I would save my weight if you wanted to maximize your frame’s capability (if the frame is not, at the least, in the top half of aluminum lightness – don’t bother): wheels – you have to have good hubs, rims and spokes altogether… skimping on one won’t do you any good. Most bikes, except for high-performance racing bikes designed for thin riders, safely support riders of at least 200 pounds, and many can support riders weighing 300 pounds or more. But is lighter actually better? 2014 Specialized has an Ultegra Allez 11spd that retails for $2400 or 2200 I can't remember. Do your research and get the bike/components that suit your discipline as well as your body. 50.00 After all a large percentage of branded carbon comes from these same factories. The Reynolds are great wheels, but I just felt like I needed to have piece of mind riding on a “bullet proof” set of wheels. If you want to submit some weights to the site, click here. My first bike shop bike was a consignment Schwinn Mirada “ATB”. Affirm loans made by Cross River Bank, Member FDIC. Get your bike to fit right, then work on what matters the most…the “motor!!”. The heavier the load on a bike, the slower the bike will go than with a lighter load. The 2lb is helping you roll :-). One thing I’ve stopped “comparing” is saddles: If I’m not comfortable, then no weight savings is worth it. This is significantly heavier than your average XC mountain bike. Weight on the bike vs weight on the rider? buy a heavier frame with lighter wheels, as it will out preform a lighter frame with heavier wheels that is the same overall weight). Equipment also comes into play and adds weight to the total amount, which is why you'll often see professional cyclists throwing water bottles off of their bikes before the end of a race. Motorcycle testing and measurement includes a range of more than two dozen statistics giving the specifications of the motorcycle, and the actual performance, expressed by such things as the output of the engine, and the top speed or acceleration of the motorcycle.Most parameters are uncontroversial and claims made by manufacturers are generally accepted without verification. For example, if rider A weighs 80kg and can sustain 240W, while rider B weighs 70kg and can sustain 210W, they both have a power-to-weight ratio of 3W/kg. So, if you’re looking to lose weight then cycling for fitness is one of the best ways to do it. Hence a kilo weight difference doesn’t matter much. Richard S., Merchandising Associate - “I’ve definitely gone down the weight weenie rabbit hole. 3 0 0. I’m 66 years old and been riding bikes since 15 years old.I posses 2 road bikes and each weighs 22 and 23 lbs.They are both fully alloy and the difference between the 2 is the position of the handlebars and the 1 lb.One bike is more upright for long comfortable rides and the other has a lower handle position when riding with my buddies.The weight is really not significant to me because I weigh 150lbs, so when riding with my buddies who have bikes at 16lbs and they weigh much more than me, I’m still lighter and have no problem staying in the group.My point is that total weight(bike and body weight,and conditioning) are much more important factors than just bike weight. Aerodynamically, an identically shaped vehicle with greater mass will roll further than a lighter vehicle. They make a bike feel noticeably snappier and easier to get up to speed. As others have mentioned, don’t buy a cheap frame that can’t be lightened. These types of bikes have to survive rough riding conditions. This higher price gets you a lighter frame and lighter components. It was more a mental thing for me. Component lists are updated almost daily. The only option for improving power-to-weight is to reduce the weight of the bike. Last thing I can imagine when it comes to what weight your bike should be is the watts per kilogram that a person can turn. In this area bombing downhills, at big speeds, helps keep me stay in the mix with the climbers on our local group rides. TweedLove Writes Off 2020, But Looks Forward to 2021; However, this “mindset”, if you will, only came about after I received a sponsorship. When sending objects into space, they deal with a problem known as the “tyranny of the rocket equation.” As the amount of weight they want to move increases, the rocket fuel required to do so increases exponentially. So you're still permitted to take a drill to your levers for the local hillclimb. Weight weenies would say yes. They make the biggest difference and on my bike, it’ll shed three pounds where it really matters. If calculated pressure is below tire’s safe minimum, choose a narrower tire. It’s heavy compared to most high-end road bikes, but I’ve never wished it was lighter. The risk of buying poorly made carbon components from china is vastly overstated by bike shops to protect their margins. Consider the example of a 175 lb. Going from a 35lb to a 15lb bike is a night and day difference in feel. Estimated payment amount excludes taxes and shipping fees. Rider + Bike lb. Then a by-product of you riding will be loss of body weight and it becomes a win-win. I'm 5" 10", 210 lbs and looking for my first road bike. Consider the example of a 175 lb. Great article. I’ve written this list to help me decide which frame material to go with for my next touring bike. Lighter vehicles are advantageous when accelerating and rising against gravity. You have to be selective.”. Heavy means ‘hard to stop’. In the standard simulated scenario (see the General Methodpage), a total weight of 85 kg is assumed. When you ride deep into the backcountry, you need to know that your bike is going to make it back out. Invest in your fitness, and if you can spend some money, get nice wheels. I’m obviously not a weight weenie but I like how you folks have put logic into the Discussion. Always makes me laugh when local, non-elite XC types say they don’t want a stopper post because they are worried about the added weight. Body weight is my only choice: I put the Reynolds on my wife’s bike, and she loves them. The way I ride, I do notice the weight on climbs, but once I point my bike downhill I can go as hard as I want and it’s all worth it. In other words the winning margin was 0.3 seconds or 170 grams. My experience is exactly the opposite. As I have said on more than one occasion to a good friend who is a compulsive weight weenie: “I can skip a couple of happy meals and shed more grams than those crazy expensive parts you are running save you – and I save a few bucks at the same time.” It may surprise you to learn that it's also rarely the most important factor. Carbon bars and stems are hugely expensive (in many cases) but hardly any lighter than comparable high-quality aluminum parts. For most riders, the reduction of bicycle weight can be almost irrelevant, since a cyclist needs to be in perfect shape before a few ounces of bicycle weight make a substantial difference in performance. Many riders, even novices, can actually feel the difference when riding lighter wheels. I used to go with $1/g saved; now maybe $2/g saved, but go with your budget. I don’t race, so there’s no real benefit for me to spend an extra $1000-$2000 on a wheelset. That being said, having a good basis for a lightening a bike is critical. Congrats on repurposing bikes for others to enjoy. Carbon wheels are one of the most popular aftermarket upgrade options for both road and mountain bikes. I think a bike should weigh as much as it needs to be durable. A forum community dedicated to Road Bike owners and enthusiasts. How much? As we speak I am combining new technology with a vintage frame to try and capture the best of both worlds. I bought my BH G6 from The Pros Closet…it spec-ed out at 15.5# with a Reynolds Attack carbon wheelset. As we age fast is all relative, as long as I can get out on a regular basis and enjoy the freedom 2 wheels affords you I am are having a great day. per inch of height – World champion cyclists 2001 – 2012. It's bad for complete bikes too. When it comes to improving a bike’s performance, weight is tangible. They’re generally considered the best place on the bike to shed grams because wheels and tires are rotating weight. Going from a 35lb to a 15lb bike is a night and day difference in feel. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 20 of 25 Posts. If you are a light rider then a lighter bike is good. Pete K, Bike Technician - “Racing at the pro level, weight is something you definitely think about. JavaScript is disabled. The avg. Weight is very important for a cross country rider because you are always trying to go faster. I have several high quality road bikes that have top components and are very light and my top summer fit riding body weight is 180 lbs, but my winter weight increases to 200 lbs during the cold months and I stay fairly aerobic fit but I increase my weight lifting and gain muscle weight easier than most because I was a former bodybuilder and have always continued to somewhat weight train; on the same 3 mile hill climb in the summer I’m 5 minutes faster than my winter weight, so in saying that I have a decent bike that I really can’t shave much more weight off and I keep a good aerobic fitness level, body weight is pretty much the only upgrade I can make, so if your story is like mine you won’t find the answer on a Weight Weenie component list, you’ll only find it on a weight scale! I’ve bought certain components when they were the lightest, even if they weren’t the best. We feel it every time we pick up a bike. Durable, light, or cheap — you can only pick two. The average weight for the bikes used by enduro mountain bike pros is over 30 pounds. Running a lighter, more delicate frame or components will increase the risk of race-ending damage. Thanks for the help! Here’s an experimental measurement of the effect of adding 1/3 as much weight as you’re talking about (four pounds vs. 12 pounds) to a bike and riding up a big climb, namely l’Alpe d’Huez. mm Inflate Front to psi Rear Tire Width. Bikes usually weigh much less than their rider, making differences in bike weight irrelevant. The belief that your bike’s weight is an advantage can give you a bigger advantage than the weight actually does on its own. Shop smart, save money and ride nice bikes. However, at 210 lbs, will buying a bike that is 16 lbs be noticeably faster than a 20 lb bike. Bigger gains are likely to be found when addressing aerodynamics, but that is a whole different topic. Weight of (Fully-dressed) Rider & Bike. If you choose the carbon bottle cage, you’re spending seven times more money to shave off a negligible amount (0.4%) of your bike’s total weight. XC riders are racers so they have the need for speed. On rough fast downs the bike gets skittish. Cassette – buying a basic replacement from Amazon may be cheap, but you can also, for not much more, get a lighter one… keep that rear wheel light! 250.00. I’m riding, sub-1300 gram wheels with alloy rims that I built for under $250, with Kinlin Rims and lightweight hubs from Bikehubstore.com. A simple non-electric bike may weigh 30 pounds (16 kg) and an electric version of the same may weigh 45-50 pounds (20-23 kg). You might spend $70 for a carbon cage versus $10 for a metal cage. My current bike is heavier, but I’m actually going faster now than I was before because the new bike is so much stiffer and more aero. Page 3 of 4 - Weight of bike VS weight of rider. I weight 265# have not broke a spoke in over a decade. Weight was not driving force – quality was- weight was by-product of quality. A $500 bike that fits right is better than a $5000 bike that doesn’t. Total Riding Weight (pounds): includes the rider and anything else added to the bike; e.g., lock, water bottles, etc. Front Tire Width. It’s hard to say exactly when reducing a bike's weight actually becomes noticeable. Some riders might begin to believe that a matter of a few grams will be the difference between a great bike and a mediocre bike. I still have steel stem and seatpost on my old 3.0 Cannondale. The finishing kits of many of these mass produced road bikes have heavy aluminum finishing kits.. bar/stem/seatpost/seat/waterbottle cage/crank. After seeing the standard height-weight BMI info available I was really wondering how someone of my height (6’4″) could be a healthy weight between 152 and 198 as advertised in a typical BMI table. One note: This video was shot before we had clarification from SRAM on the compatibility matrix of this new “Wide” front derailleur and their complete chainring lineup. Obviously, a heavier bike makes it much harder than a light one :). If you're not going to be carving corners, I wouldn't worry about it. Newbies usually accelerate to the point when they cannot take it anymore and then recover for a few minutes only to push it again. We can put a bike on a scale, get a number, and determine that a smaller number is “better.” We can spend money on new components that save more weight. Heavier wheels require more energy to overcome this inertia. ☺️. Lightweight, less puncture-resistant tires are better saved for race day when it really matters. Mean (average), and standard deviation I am a purebred XC racer and to me, grand are everything! I also feel the winter increased weight training has a great benefit at my age so I’m not going to stop the up and down in muscle gains, but next winter I may try to keep my weight down to 190 and see if I can be as strong. This is why really good climbers are generally skinnier or smaller than average riders. The number-one factor in performance is always the rider. It is the weight if the bike and rider together that primarily determines whether and how fast a rider might be able to ride up the hill. The steel is about 20 lbs, the ti is about 18.5 lbs, and the carbon is about 17.5 lbs. As consumers, we have an ability to control and modify bike weight in ways we can’t with other aspects of bike performance like stiffness, aerodynamics, or geometry. That also means that you’ll be progressing faster than your buddies. On my mountain bike however,… I find that a super light climber will bite you in the hind on the downhill. Many cyclists dream of having the lightest bike possible. However, you do need to make sure that you’re changing your diet to aid weight loss. That said there is a third option that os rarely talked about. Experienced cyclists tend to maintain a steady pace unless there is a real reason to go full gas. This is one of the most sensible prospectus on weight I’ve seen. Often I see very light bikes zoom by me. Have owned 7 personal bikes and 4 tandems. Lighter wheels and tires (rolling resistance probably matters more than weight) make a much larger difference in feel than a lighter frame or components - so not all 18 pound bikes will feel the same. That is a lot of bike for right in your price range. weight of xc bikes is around 24 pounds which is 10.8kg. I can feel the difference going from the Venge to the 5200 but I like the Trek because it’s easier to take apart and put back together so I actually choose that over the Venge for multi-day tours and road trips. It will take a lot of component upgrades throughout a bike and a lot of money for all those saved grams to add up to a meaningful reduction in overall weight. 10% of what would be about 120 pounds max, now minus 20-40 pounds for the saddle and … But when you’re riding long distances far from home you shouldn’t skimp. That’s Rule #1. I prioritize durability, and the heft means it’s sturdy and it’ll keep going no matter the riding conditions. If you ride hard things will break. When it comes to bike frames, aluminium is ‘alloyed’ with another metal. To take Bianchi’s range as an example, the Specialissima lightweight road bike has a claimed frame weight of 780g and the fork is 340g, a total of 1,120g. With the WTB tires and a really old Rockshox Quadra (springs now, no elastomers), it weighs 25lbs. Of course, bikes aren’t rockets, but plenty of riders treat them like they are. Body weight in lbs. Buy lightly used bikes, framesets and components on Craigslist, Ebay and…oh…yeah…The Pros Closet. Quickest way to take pounds off the bike comes from the riders gut, not the bike. redman New Member. Choosing wider tires and stronger wheels helps heavier cyclists have a safer, more comfortable and enjoyable ride. Is your overweight bike making you depressed? Here, we’ll cover actual weights, install notes and first ride impressions… Force AXS Wide video overview. The rider is 90 percent of that weight. The rider with the lighter bike will hypothetically make it to the top of a climb first, or they’ll have to expend slightly less power to reach the top at the same time. Because of carbon’s strength to weight advantage, road bike rims can be made deeper, wider, and more aerodynamic, without a massive weight penalty. *Rates between 10-30% APR with a promotional rate of 0% APR for qualified customers. A rider's reach is measured from the tip of saddle to the centre of the handlebars. Physics of riding a bicycle doesn’t change for lighter-weight, lower-power bikes. The bike rides so much better with it. A 180-pound rider on a 20-pound bike results in an overall weight of 200 pounds. (body) frame. Diverge), an average weight rain bike (18.5# Trek 5200) and a lightweight aero race bike (15.5# Spec. I don’t like to break things. The alloy cage weight is right, but you didn’t weigh a carbon zee cage. so, it can be done if you use your head, do the proper research and make sure your components and frame set are up to the task! Most people learn to ride a bike at some point in childhood, if not adulthood. I felt the 3.0 become heavy and sluggish when I took off the 1.5" dirt road tires off and mounted the WTBs.. what a difference I felt. Borrowing a bit from the point above, saving weight on your Mountain Bike comes with loads more benefits. As you know weight is a large factor in the bike design, materials and cost. Being a hardcore weight weenie not only requires a lot of dedication but also a lot of money. If you do any climbing, I can almost guarantee that the lighter bike will be that much more fun to go hammering up hills. sponsors . Tom L. I definitely went down the weight weenie rabbit hole. EN 15194 The European EN 15194 is intended specifically for eBikes and sits alongside ISO 4210. A bicycle is practically a rolling physics lab. A 180-pound rider on a 20-pound bike results in an overall weight of 200 pounds. Both measurements are taken from a 56cm frame highlighting aero bikes aim to stretch a rider out, while endurance bikes aim to have the rider in a more upright position. - posted in Tech Q&A: Which guy is the specs from?Mileages data comes from a sample of 56 lightweights who competed at the Sydney Olympics (though theyre probably out-of-competition measurements since the mean weight is 72.5kg).Whats interesting is only 5% of them are shorter than 1.76m.For heavyweights, the mean mass … Having spent 15 years designing and building bikes for Paketa in Boulder, the US’ only manufacturer of magnesium bicycle frames, I think I understand the weight/performance/price trade-off pretty well. Many of the items sold on ebay will have stated weights. Good luck and have fun with your search. rider on two different e-bikes. Of course not, but who cares?! I can ride it all day without any aches or pains at the end of the ride. Make sure your bike fits your budget and is reliable to ride. 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